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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 01:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very nice write-up. spot on. and very nice and poignant responses. congrats fellow 99%ers. we do not forgive, we do not forget, expect us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very nice write-up. spot on. and very nice and poignant responses. congrats fellow 99%ers. we do not forgive, we do not forget, expect us.</p>
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		<title>By: Annie B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 01:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(that should be families *aren&#039;t* living in cars :(</description>
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		<title>By: Annie B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2011 01:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria, I&#039;ve struggled with that question myself but I think there are two concerns that have to be addressed separately.  

1 - There is the need to immediately do something to help the homeless NOW (an important and immediate concern many of us share, Occupiers or not). That may mean feeding people, temp housing, raising money, volunteer work, etc. Individual people have been doing that for ages - we&#039;re affixing band aids - super sized important ones, but band aids - to a deeper problem. 


2 - the deeper problem is the need to fix a system that is making homelessness a situation for more and more people, as homes are foreclosed on and the &quot;trickle down effect&quot; means rents go up and the poorer are pushed down and out.  

To me, that&#039;s what the Occupy movements are doing.  Raising attention, shining lights, screaming if need be to get all of us up and out there doing something BIG to let politicians and those money makers who are putting profit over people know that we are going to find a way to make them stop.  And we&#039;re working together on figuring out how to make those powerful people stop.  That&#039;s why we need more people to help us do that - we operate as a direct democracy which means people who work together to suggest new ideas because the old ones (letter writing, voting for the &#039;right&#039; politician, etc.) don&#039;t seem to be working.

One thing doesn&#039;t override the other but Occupy as a movement is here to make some noise and shake things up.  

I am afraid there will always be the homeless but we claim to be the greatest country on earth - we should as a country be able to really make some powerful changes so that people aren&#039;t living under bridges and families are living in cars. 

People tell us to &quot;get a job&quot; or &quot;take a bath&quot; - when most of us have the former and do the latter - I wonder if the same people shout that at the homeless, and I wonder how they think they can do that with the economy so bad, employment so good, mental health not available to all, housing prices going up, etc.  

In short (I don&#039;t do short well), we can help the homeless a lot by demanding changes in who our politicians and governments are working for - the mighty dollar or all citizens of the United States of America (bring me your tired, your poor.. etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria, I&#8217;ve struggled with that question myself but I think there are two concerns that have to be addressed separately.  </p>
<p>1 &#8211; There is the need to immediately do something to help the homeless NOW (an important and immediate concern many of us share, Occupiers or not). That may mean feeding people, temp housing, raising money, volunteer work, etc. Individual people have been doing that for ages &#8211; we&#8217;re affixing band aids &#8211; super sized important ones, but band aids &#8211; to a deeper problem. </p>
<p>2 &#8211; the deeper problem is the need to fix a system that is making homelessness a situation for more and more people, as homes are foreclosed on and the &#8220;trickle down effect&#8221; means rents go up and the poorer are pushed down and out.  </p>
<p>To me, that&#8217;s what the Occupy movements are doing.  Raising attention, shining lights, screaming if need be to get all of us up and out there doing something BIG to let politicians and those money makers who are putting profit over people know that we are going to find a way to make them stop.  And we&#8217;re working together on figuring out how to make those powerful people stop.  That&#8217;s why we need more people to help us do that &#8211; we operate as a direct democracy which means people who work together to suggest new ideas because the old ones (letter writing, voting for the &#8216;right&#8217; politician, etc.) don&#8217;t seem to be working.</p>
<p>One thing doesn&#8217;t override the other but Occupy as a movement is here to make some noise and shake things up.  </p>
<p>I am afraid there will always be the homeless but we claim to be the greatest country on earth &#8211; we should as a country be able to really make some powerful changes so that people aren&#8217;t living under bridges and families are living in cars. </p>
<p>People tell us to &#8220;get a job&#8221; or &#8220;take a bath&#8221; &#8211; when most of us have the former and do the latter &#8211; I wonder if the same people shout that at the homeless, and I wonder how they think they can do that with the economy so bad, employment so good, mental health not available to all, housing prices going up, etc.  </p>
<p>In short (I don&#8217;t do short well), we can help the homeless a lot by demanding changes in who our politicians and governments are working for &#8211; the mighty dollar or all citizens of the United States of America (bring me your tired, your poor.. etc.)</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Occupy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Occupy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Nov 2011 10:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said</description>
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		<title>By: matt FAYGONINJA richards</title>
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		<dc:creator>matt FAYGONINJA richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 10:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok Maria, here we go. i assume that your referring to the video i shot with our first encounter with DPD. first off, yes the officer was attempting to &quot;inform&quot; us of the laws. which is not his job by the way it is to enforce the law. that being said, when i see police of any kind &quot;choosing&quot; which laws they enforce, i have to question their motives. i asked the officer if his personal choice would be to hassle protesters over stopping real crime. he said &quot;my personal views do not effect how i do my job&quot;. wow, i dont know about you but i would like an officer who thought the law or laws he was enforcing were petty, or just plain wrong, i would like that officer to stand up for what he believes. after that, i did ask the officer if he would follow an order given to him to disarm the american people. he said &quot;i follow the orders im given&quot;. that should be a clue as to just how clueless some police may be in regard to the laws of this country, and i see that you are similarly clueless. you can in dayton get a failing score on the peace officer exam and still pass and become an office on our streets. FACT. now with most being unqualified to do their jobs, and thinking its not their job to stand up for injustice and enforcement of the law, then we all should be concerned. they are our protectors, security, and neighbors. i hold them to a higher standard than most and for good reason.

as for OCCUPY, come down sometime and talk to me in person and we will see if you truly want to attempt to understand what and why we do what we do. i know and have had many conversations with opposing points of views. i understand them and debate them, and will continue to do so. that is what this country is about. oh and by the way i would brush up on your facts cause i have successfully trashed most facts misrepresented to me. there are not too many that hold water. if you dont see this country needs drastic and fundamental change, then perhaps, you didnt pay attention to all the sacrifices for our freedoms that were made in the history of this country. it was stated by one of our founding fathers that upholding them is the task of each generation that comes after. we have let enough privacy slip away. we have let inequality in many aspects flourish in our society. enough is enough. the revolution will take place with you or without.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok Maria, here we go. i assume that your referring to the video i shot with our first encounter with DPD. first off, yes the officer was attempting to &#8220;inform&#8221; us of the laws. which is not his job by the way it is to enforce the law. that being said, when i see police of any kind &#8220;choosing&#8221; which laws they enforce, i have to question their motives. i asked the officer if his personal choice would be to hassle protesters over stopping real crime. he said &#8220;my personal views do not effect how i do my job&#8221;. wow, i dont know about you but i would like an officer who thought the law or laws he was enforcing were petty, or just plain wrong, i would like that officer to stand up for what he believes. after that, i did ask the officer if he would follow an order given to him to disarm the american people. he said &#8220;i follow the orders im given&#8221;. that should be a clue as to just how clueless some police may be in regard to the laws of this country, and i see that you are similarly clueless. you can in dayton get a failing score on the peace officer exam and still pass and become an office on our streets. FACT. now with most being unqualified to do their jobs, and thinking its not their job to stand up for injustice and enforcement of the law, then we all should be concerned. they are our protectors, security, and neighbors. i hold them to a higher standard than most and for good reason.</p>
<p>as for OCCUPY, come down sometime and talk to me in person and we will see if you truly want to attempt to understand what and why we do what we do. i know and have had many conversations with opposing points of views. i understand them and debate them, and will continue to do so. that is what this country is about. oh and by the way i would brush up on your facts cause i have successfully trashed most facts misrepresented to me. there are not too many that hold water. if you dont see this country needs drastic and fundamental change, then perhaps, you didnt pay attention to all the sacrifices for our freedoms that were made in the history of this country. it was stated by one of our founding fathers that upholding them is the task of each generation that comes after. we have let enough privacy slip away. we have let inequality in many aspects flourish in our society. enough is enough. the revolution will take place with you or without.</p>
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		<title>By: www.twitter.com/hlmelsaid</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 03:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right movement(occupy)</description>
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		<title>By: www.twitter.com/hlmelsaid</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2011 03:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Popular movement for reform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Popular movement for reform.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Occupy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Occupy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 22:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maria! 

Again, I remain amazed at the lack of knowledge some people exhibit with regard to the Occupy Movement. Lets take your statements one by one. First, we are not squatting. Squatting implies we are trying to acquire the property, we are not. Second, No permit is required. Third, The camp is one of our public faces and it has brought hoards of people to our cause. Fourth, We are not &quot;whining and complaining&quot;, we are attempting to fix what is wrong with our (and the worlds)economic system. Fifth, We are, in fact, engaged in multiple activities aside from Occupy which benefit our local community. Have you even heard of the Sustainable Community Project? Have you heard about our donations to local groups? Have you heard about all the things individual Occupy members are doing in their community? Sixth, It is YOUR opinion that we aren&#039;t accomplishing anything. Unfortunately, that opinion is shaped by YOUR lack of knowledge, YOUR lack of due diligence, by the media YOU chose to watch/read and YOUR preconceived notions about what the movement is all about. The truth is I pity you and your stated ignorance. As for the Dayton PD, again, you have NO IDEA of what you are talking about. We support the DPD and they support us. We have worked since day one to build the relationship. We have posted signs showing our support, we were heavily involved in issue 2 and we have made friends with several officers. Wake up Maria, the Matrix has you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maria! </p>
<p>Again, I remain amazed at the lack of knowledge some people exhibit with regard to the Occupy Movement. Lets take your statements one by one. First, we are not squatting. Squatting implies we are trying to acquire the property, we are not. Second, No permit is required. Third, The camp is one of our public faces and it has brought hoards of people to our cause. Fourth, We are not &#8220;whining and complaining&#8221;, we are attempting to fix what is wrong with our (and the worlds)economic system. Fifth, We are, in fact, engaged in multiple activities aside from Occupy which benefit our local community. Have you even heard of the Sustainable Community Project? Have you heard about our donations to local groups? Have you heard about all the things individual Occupy members are doing in their community? Sixth, It is YOUR opinion that we aren&#8217;t accomplishing anything. Unfortunately, that opinion is shaped by YOUR lack of knowledge, YOUR lack of due diligence, by the media YOU chose to watch/read and YOUR preconceived notions about what the movement is all about. The truth is I pity you and your stated ignorance. As for the Dayton PD, again, you have NO IDEA of what you are talking about. We support the DPD and they support us. We have worked since day one to build the relationship. We have posted signs showing our support, we were heavily involved in issue 2 and we have made friends with several officers. Wake up Maria, the Matrix has you!</p>
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		<title>By: Maria James</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maria James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 03:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t your time be better spent gathering food for the poor than squatting on public property without a permit? Camping achieves nothing in your cause. I guess you would rather camp while you whine and complain than actually do anything that could make an actual difference. Why not help out Habitat for Humanity? Why not tutor at risk children in poor school systems? What about volunteering at a soup kitchen? If you really cared about change, you could make a difference. But you chose to join a group that is accomplishing nothing, except to spread discontent and mistrust toward our police force. The most ironic thing is that your group is so mistrustful of the Dayton PD when they have been nothing but fair to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t your time be better spent gathering food for the poor than squatting on public property without a permit? Camping achieves nothing in your cause. I guess you would rather camp while you whine and complain than actually do anything that could make an actual difference. Why not help out Habitat for Humanity? Why not tutor at risk children in poor school systems? What about volunteering at a soup kitchen? If you really cared about change, you could make a difference. But you chose to join a group that is accomplishing nothing, except to spread discontent and mistrust toward our police force. The most ironic thing is that your group is so mistrustful of the Dayton PD when they have been nothing but fair to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Nov 2011 03:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Occupier here in Dayton, and standing in solidarity with Occupations around the world, I thank you.  I thank you for the kind words, the encouragement and most of all, for acknowledging that change, however small it may be at present, is indeed happening.  The world has awoken.

I cannot express how grateful and proud I am to be a part of something so infinitely special.

With love and solidarity,
Stacey - the 99%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Occupier here in Dayton, and standing in solidarity with Occupations around the world, I thank you.  I thank you for the kind words, the encouragement and most of all, for acknowledging that change, however small it may be at present, is indeed happening.  The world has awoken.</p>
<p>I cannot express how grateful and proud I am to be a part of something so infinitely special.</p>
<p>With love and solidarity,<br />
Stacey &#8211; the 99%</p>
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