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	<title>Comments on: Debate Forum Left, 7/5/11</title>
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		<title>By: Ben Tomkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Tomkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2011 16:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the news is more Wild West than you think.  Listen, I&#039;ve had my lawnmower stolen, I&#039;ve had a murder within 1 block of my house, (for which I heard the gunshots), and I&#039;ve lived in neighborhoods where people get beaten up because of the color of their skin.  That doesn&#039;t mean I feel like everyone in the universe is out to hurt me.  My right to feel safe begins with giving myself license to realize that violence happens in our society, but that doesn&#039;t mean at all times I&#039;m about to be assaulted.

Who says I don&#039;t own firearms?  The difference, I believe, is feeling like I cannot be safe without having a gun at all times and under all circumstances.  Having a right to self defense is different than irrationally feeling like a gun is the only thing that can keep you safe.  

Our country, generally, is a safe environment in which to live, but the fact of the matter is, if you compare countries like England to America, America is STILL orders of magnitude more violent due primarily to the prevalence of handguns.  

If you are serious about me taking a CHL class, I&#039;d be more than happy to accept that challenge and I&#039;d be more than happy to have you there while I do it.  Are you willing to pay for it?

P.S.  Someone with a conceal/carry permit telling me the world is a scary dangerous place is like OJ Simpson telling me some bitches have it coming...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the news is more Wild West than you think.  Listen, I&#8217;ve had my lawnmower stolen, I&#8217;ve had a murder within 1 block of my house, (for which I heard the gunshots), and I&#8217;ve lived in neighborhoods where people get beaten up because of the color of their skin.  That doesn&#8217;t mean I feel like everyone in the universe is out to hurt me.  My right to feel safe begins with giving myself license to realize that violence happens in our society, but that doesn&#8217;t mean at all times I&#8217;m about to be assaulted.</p>
<p>Who says I don&#8217;t own firearms?  The difference, I believe, is feeling like I cannot be safe without having a gun at all times and under all circumstances.  Having a right to self defense is different than irrationally feeling like a gun is the only thing that can keep you safe.  </p>
<p>Our country, generally, is a safe environment in which to live, but the fact of the matter is, if you compare countries like England to America, America is STILL orders of magnitude more violent due primarily to the prevalence of handguns.  </p>
<p>If you are serious about me taking a CHL class, I&#8217;d be more than happy to accept that challenge and I&#8217;d be more than happy to have you there while I do it.  Are you willing to pay for it?</p>
<p>P.S.  Someone with a conceal/carry permit telling me the world is a scary dangerous place is like OJ Simpson telling me some bitches have it coming&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) CHL holders following the law aren&#039;t allowed to &#039;pound a few beers&#039; while carrying.

2) The world is more Wild West than you think.  Read the news.  I have never lived in a &#039;bad neighborhood&#039; but there has been violence near my homes.

3) I believe there already are guns being carried in restaurants &amp; bars - illegally.

4) I believe I have a right to self defense.

5) I believe weakness invites aggression.  

6) You may be right about not being able to control a chaotic situation even if you have a gun, but I think that allowing CHL holders to carry in restaurants and bars provides a disincentive for those situations to occur.  I don&#039;t know for a fact, but I think that gun stores are probably robbed less during working hours than convenience stores.

7) A CHL holder carrying legally is not &#039;demonstrably dangerous behavior.&#039;

8) I challenge you to buy a handgun and take a CHL class for some additional insight.  

9) A non firearm owner passing judgment on firearm owners is like a virgin telling people how they should have sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) CHL holders following the law aren&#8217;t allowed to &#8216;pound a few beers&#8217; while carrying.</p>
<p>2) The world is more Wild West than you think.  Read the news.  I have never lived in a &#8216;bad neighborhood&#8217; but there has been violence near my homes.</p>
<p>3) I believe there already are guns being carried in restaurants &amp; bars &#8211; illegally.</p>
<p>4) I believe I have a right to self defense.</p>
<p>5) I believe weakness invites aggression.  </p>
<p>6) You may be right about not being able to control a chaotic situation even if you have a gun, but I think that allowing CHL holders to carry in restaurants and bars provides a disincentive for those situations to occur.  I don&#8217;t know for a fact, but I think that gun stores are probably robbed less during working hours than convenience stores.</p>
<p>7) A CHL holder carrying legally is not &#8216;demonstrably dangerous behavior.&#8217;</p>
<p>8) I challenge you to buy a handgun and take a CHL class for some additional insight.  </p>
<p>9) A non firearm owner passing judgment on firearm owners is like a virgin telling people how they should have sex.</p>
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