Debate Forum Topic, 11/22/11

Debate Forum Topic, 11/22/11

Occupy Wall Street and the First Amendment

By Jeff Danziger

By Jeff Danziger

On November 15, in a predawn operation, New York City’s Mayor Michael Bloomberg ordered the clearing of the Occupy Wall Street (OWS) encampment in Zuccotti Park in Lower Manhattan. Police in riot gear moved into the park shortly after officers handed out notices to protesters warning them the park was about to be cleared. By 4 a.m. the city had completed the removal of the hundreds of tents and tarps that had become associated with the OWS encampment. Police said they had arrested about 70 protesters, including some who chained themselves together in an effort to prevent being dislodged from the park.

The mayor stated that that concerns about safety, fires, sanitation and other hazards left him no alternative other than to clear the park. The mayor also indicated that the OWS protestors could return to the park once the city cleared and sanitized it. Although protesters will be allowed to return, they may no longer set up the encampment of tents, sleeping bags and tarps. The park will be closed every night at 11 p.m. The mayor also indicated that while the majority of protesters have been peaceful and responsible, a small minority of OWS protesters had not been. In making the statement, the mayor stated that while the protesters had First Amendment rights to protest, free speech did not extend to the right to live in tents and to occupy a private park.

The action by the City of New York followed similar efforts in other cities, such as Portland, Ore., and Oakland, Calif., where the Occupy protests were also shut down. While the movement has continued to grow and with new protests springing up in cities all over the country, recent polling indicates that some events associated with the OWS locations, including sexual assaults, theft, drug use and outbreaks of disease, have eroded some of their support among the general population.

Here in Dayton, Courthouse Square in downtown Dayton has been the site of the local OWS encampment (known as Occupy Dayton) for the past 40 days. Last week, the Downtown Dayton Partnership (DDP) asked Occupy Dayton to temporarily vacate their encampment for a three-day period as the DDP conducts the 39th annual holiday tree lighting ceremony, Grande Illumination. Initially, Occupy Dayton made a counter proposal that it would vacate if Montgomery County and the City of Dayton would place a one-year moratorium on all foreclosures. However, the Occupy Dayton General Assembly, which met over the weekend, modified their demands and agreed to vacate the square for the Grande Illumination celebration. They have been assured that they can return to the Courthouse Square at the conclusion of the celebration.

Critics of the OWS movement state that freedom of speech does not guarantee the right for the various OWS organizations in the cities across the country to erect tent cities and to have 24-hour access to the public parks and squares. Those supporting OWS movements across the country state that these locations belong to the people and that they have every right to exercise their First Amendment rights at these public locations without conditions.

Forum Question of the Week:
Does the First Amendment give Occupy protestors the right to remain in their camps? Or, in the name of public safety, does local government have a right to remove them?

Again, based on the First Amendment, do the Occupy Dayton protestors have the right to negotiate the terms of them vacating Courthouse Square?

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  1. Joe Schmo November 22, 2011 at 3:31 pm #

    Based on the First Amendment, Occupy Dayton has the right to peaceably assemble and air their grievances, or whatever free speech that is legal (I.e. no yelling fire in crowded theatres).

    Camping and occupying isn’t new in America, and it is a protected form of speech protesting conditions. Google Bonus Army 1930s people.

  2. DirkStar November 22, 2011 at 5:48 pm #

    For me it all boils down to a matter of logistics. Most people think all there is to camping out is throwing up a tent, grabbing some sleeping bags and setting up house. For those of us who have actually made camping a lifelong hobby we understand the real logistics required to maintain a working camp and from what I’ve seen of the Dayton Occupy Movement none of them possess the skills to do it right.

    It is one thing to debate rights, but the reality is that with rights come responsibilities too. If you plan on occupying something like the Courthouse Plaza in Dayton you need to do so in a manner that is respectful of the environment. So far from what I’ve seen of the Occupy Dayton campsite their camp is not only not being respectful of the environment, they are also through lack of camping knowledge presenting a danger to others trying to use the Square. Tents are not properly secured and when the wind kicks up the billowing tents create a serious threat to pedestrians on the Plaza. Sanitation? Trash removal? Power? These are all issues which the campers appear to have no clue how to effectively manage on their own. They cry about rights, but seem to have no sense of responsibility for maintaining their presence on Courthouse Square.

    Other cities are moving away from permanent camps. They’re recognizing the the tremendous drain upon organization coffers maintaining the tents truly are and are adapting their tactics to Occupy public venues temporary during certain hours and sending everyone home after events where they are warm, safe and out of the cold. Camping is a very expensive endeavor. Every dollar invested in trying to maintain a camp can purchase bullhorns, fliers, buttons, signs and the materials to spread the Occupy message. They’ve learned the truth that sometimes the principle of, Conservation of Resources, is more important than the right to camp.

    Having the right to do something and standing on it isn’t always the right choice. Doing something right is more important than standing on a right to do something. When a camp becomes dangerous to more people than it serves, the city must move to protect the safety of the majority. Do it right or don’t do it at all. So far the Dayton Occupiers aren’t doing it right…

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