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	<title>Comments on: Debate Forum Topic, 11/22/11</title>
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		<title>By: DirkStar</title>
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		<dc:creator>DirkStar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 17:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me it all boils down to a matter of logistics.  Most people think all there is to camping out is throwing up a tent, grabbing some sleeping bags and setting up house.  For those of us who have actually made camping a lifelong hobby we understand the real logistics required to maintain a working camp and from what I&#039;ve seen of the Dayton Occupy Movement none of them possess the skills to do it right.

It is one thing to debate rights, but the reality is that with rights come responsibilities too.  If you plan on occupying something like the Courthouse Plaza in Dayton you need to do so in a manner that is respectful of the environment.  So far from what I&#039;ve seen of the Occupy Dayton campsite their camp is not only not being respectful of the environment, they are also through lack of camping knowledge presenting a danger to others trying to use the Square.  Tents are not properly secured and when the wind kicks up the billowing tents create a serious threat to pedestrians on the Plaza.  Sanitation?  Trash removal?  Power?  These are all issues which the campers appear to have no clue how to effectively manage on their own.  They cry about rights, but seem to have no sense of responsibility for maintaining their presence on Courthouse Square.  

Other cities are moving away from permanent camps.  They&#039;re recognizing the the tremendous drain upon organization coffers maintaining the tents truly are and are adapting their tactics to Occupy public venues temporary during certain hours and sending everyone home after events where they are warm, safe and out of the cold.  Camping is a very expensive endeavor. Every dollar invested in trying to maintain a camp can purchase bullhorns, fliers, buttons, signs and the materials to spread the Occupy message.  They&#039;ve learned the truth that sometimes the principle of, Conservation of Resources, is more important than the right to camp.

Having the right to do something and standing on it isn&#039;t always the right choice.  Doing something right is more important than standing on a right to do something.  When a camp becomes dangerous to more people than it serves, the city must move to protect the safety of the majority. Do it right or don&#039;t do it at all.  So far the Dayton Occupiers aren&#039;t doing it right...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me it all boils down to a matter of logistics.  Most people think all there is to camping out is throwing up a tent, grabbing some sleeping bags and setting up house.  For those of us who have actually made camping a lifelong hobby we understand the real logistics required to maintain a working camp and from what I&#8217;ve seen of the Dayton Occupy Movement none of them possess the skills to do it right.</p>
<p>It is one thing to debate rights, but the reality is that with rights come responsibilities too.  If you plan on occupying something like the Courthouse Plaza in Dayton you need to do so in a manner that is respectful of the environment.  So far from what I&#8217;ve seen of the Occupy Dayton campsite their camp is not only not being respectful of the environment, they are also through lack of camping knowledge presenting a danger to others trying to use the Square.  Tents are not properly secured and when the wind kicks up the billowing tents create a serious threat to pedestrians on the Plaza.  Sanitation?  Trash removal?  Power?  These are all issues which the campers appear to have no clue how to effectively manage on their own.  They cry about rights, but seem to have no sense of responsibility for maintaining their presence on Courthouse Square.  </p>
<p>Other cities are moving away from permanent camps.  They&#8217;re recognizing the the tremendous drain upon organization coffers maintaining the tents truly are and are adapting their tactics to Occupy public venues temporary during certain hours and sending everyone home after events where they are warm, safe and out of the cold.  Camping is a very expensive endeavor. Every dollar invested in trying to maintain a camp can purchase bullhorns, fliers, buttons, signs and the materials to spread the Occupy message.  They&#8217;ve learned the truth that sometimes the principle of, Conservation of Resources, is more important than the right to camp.</p>
<p>Having the right to do something and standing on it isn&#8217;t always the right choice.  Doing something right is more important than standing on a right to do something.  When a camp becomes dangerous to more people than it serves, the city must move to protect the safety of the majority. Do it right or don&#8217;t do it at all.  So far the Dayton Occupiers aren&#8217;t doing it right&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Schmo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Schmo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on the First Amendment, Occupy Dayton has the right to peaceably assemble and air their grievances, or whatever free speech that is legal (I.e. no yelling fire in crowded theatres).

Camping and occupying isn&#039;t new in America, and it is a protected form of speech protesting conditions. Google Bonus Army 1930s people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on the First Amendment, Occupy Dayton has the right to peaceably assemble and air their grievances, or whatever free speech that is legal (I.e. no yelling fire in crowded theatres).</p>
<p>Camping and occupying isn&#8217;t new in America, and it is a protected form of speech protesting conditions. Google Bonus Army 1930s people.</p>
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